Universal Access To All Knowledge
Home Donate | Store | Blog | FAQ | Jobs | Volunteer Positions | Contact | Bios | Forums | Projects | Terms, Privacy, & Copyright
Search: Advanced Search
Anonymous User (login or join us)
Upload

Reply to this post | Go Back
View Post [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffChenard Walcker Date: Jul 10, 2005 10:43pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Houseplant defends netlabels

This album is the response from Chenard to a site called Houseplant Picture Studio who has a nihilist-like speech about netlabels : 42 songs.

Houseplant

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Bowser_256 Date: Jul 21, 2005 4:11am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant Picture Studio defends netlabels

what does this all mean?
is it Coldcut? or KLF ?

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJukkis Date: Jul 11, 2005 2:16am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

what speech ?

link ?

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffChenard Walcker Date: Jul 11, 2005 2:49am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

Houseplant Picture Studio

scroll down to bottom.

This post was modified by Chenard Walcker on 2005-07-11 09:49:00

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJukkis Date: Jul 11, 2005 3:09am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

"HOUSEPLANT PICTURE STUDIO NOW PAYS TRIBUTE TO ONE OF THE
INTERNET'S MOST AUDIO-ORIENTED NET LABELS...COMFORT STAND


AS A FEW OF YOU MAY KNOW, COMFORT STAND IS ALL ABOUT
GIVING AWAY THEIR AUDIO FOR FREE AND HPS AGREES THAT
THEIR AUDIO IS DEFINITELY WORTH EVERY PENNY

COMFORT STAND IS KIND ENOUGH TO ALLOW OTHER LIKE-MINDED
WEBSITES ALMOST FREE REIGN AND COMPLETE PERMISSION TO POST
COMFORT STAND AUDIO UNDER THE GENEROUS "CREATIVE COMMONS"
LICENSE, WHICH ALLOWS CHARITABLE NET LABELS OR CREATIVE
ARTISTS THE BASIC RIGHT TO EXTEND "NORMAL USES" NOT NORMALLY
GIVEN TO OTHER NET LABELS OR ARTISTS INTERESTED IN GIVING AWAY
THEIR CREATIONS OVER THE INTERNET OR SIMILAR STANDARD MEDIA
WITHOUT ANY REGARD TO BASIC PROFIT OR HEAVY TAXATION"

???

what's this all about ?



Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffChenard Walcker Date: Jul 11, 2005 3:54am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

The guy from this site is a lad insane. He daily refreshes the dadaist page full of hilarious visuals with a sometime nihilist-like speech. I think it's great. He share's crasy albums, etc...
But he often makes fun out of netlabels in general - and comfortstand in particular. Each year he launches a contest to find just one song that is good : indeed, he thinks there is none.
Love that kind of nuts !

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffWeirdomusic Date: Jul 11, 2005 5:59am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

The problem is that along the way he insults a lot of people too, including the folks at Comfort Stand.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: mellow dude 1975 Date: Aug 7, 2005 7:50am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

yes I agree that Benbenek has insulted many in the Net Label community...not only that but he puts down so many in the artistic community as well...not known for his intelligence I gather - still the approach is sometimes funny and all-in-all Benbenek could be a catalyst for change in the Net Label community. Plus, he's correct...MOST Net Lable music is on the rather dull side, so nothing wrong in pointing this out, sometime we in the Net Label community behave like a witch hump...afraid of record companies and afraid of those who criticize, but this is OK lighten up, MAYBE? Nevermind

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffaaron m Date: Jul 11, 2005 1:11pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

I dont see anything offensive in that text..

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgrant kidd [numia/slskrex] Date: Jul 14, 2005 12:12am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

its sarcasm btw... interesting site... odd fellow
nice release

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffChenard Walcker Date: Jul 16, 2005 7:47am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

thank you all for your answers. Marco, i think you should consider this : this guys insults as he talks. So please let's have some fun with the bunny music. Oh, by the way, i'll surely update "Houseplant" as some songs have to be reworked, swaped, etc. i did this too quickly !(constructive criticisms on the music are welcome)

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffChenard Walcker Date: Jul 18, 2005 11:14pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

Here's the answer from Houseplant Picture Studio entitled ANATOMY OF A PARODY (or satire) and WHY A PARODY OF A PARODY IS NEVER FUNNY and Chenard's reply.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Little Tony Tottle Date: Aug 8, 2005 2:20pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

nothing is here....where is the funny Benbenek stuff? He is always so funny - how is it that one can upload one's Net Label music??

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffChenard Walcker Date: Aug 10, 2005 10:30am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

Yo guys / i've used the word "facist" to talk of KB tastes / it was used in a particular context, as part of my answer to a KB, that had sent me a mail which was very much in his nihilist style / I SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT IT HERE, out of context / so i've deleted it from this forum / armlessly yours

This post was modified by Chenard Walcker on 2005-08-10 16:20:58

This post was modified by Chenard Walcker on 2005-08-10 17:30:12

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Mister Lister 405 Date: Aug 10, 2005 6:11am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

Calling someone a Fascist in a harmless music forum is kind of extreme - let's keep it real, folks!

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: William Renquist Date: Aug 9, 2005 11:19am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

It's quite obvious that Kurt Benbenek is on to something here...otherwise there wouldn't be such an uproar among Net Labels over his very logical and concise statements.

As far as MY opinion goes - -

It's a shame that so many Net Label musicians use samples as the basis for their repetitive dance music. Among Net Label musicians, there seems to be a yearning for old fashioned emotion and passion. It's impossible to get much real emotion from a sampling machine...and machines definitely have no inherent passion or humanity.

It's so very easy to sample past musicians who DID (and DO) have passion and emotion in the sounds they produce.

Hope I don't offend anyone, but samplers are nothing more than common criminals (if the intent is to create "new" music from someone else's sounds) This is exactly why a forward thinker like Frank Zappa made it basically illegal for anyone to sample or digitally store his work for further use (and this he did many years before his death, years before the internet revolution..what a genius he was!)

I wonder how many sampling Net Label "musicians" actually know how to operate a real musical instrument? I reckon very few. So many Net Label are only contributing to the **robotization** of the world's music and overall audio landscape. We now live in a world where EURO-DISCO is the norm and roots music (blues, jazz, etc) is the perverse music...how utterly sad.

The backlash against bland, dull and roboticized Net Label music is well-underway. Let's hope that possibly a few Net Labels will place roots music in their catalogues...this might be the musical cure that future generations need. Otherwise our heirs can only hope to listen to robot music, canned, dull and commercialized...and inhuman

William - Poughkeepsie, NY

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Jing Tong Date: Aug 9, 2005 5:58pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

You seem angry about all of this? Do you have a Net Label of your own or just prefer to chat about it ?!

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Jing Tong Date: Aug 9, 2005 6:00pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

FUNNY THAT THERE IS A DANCE CALLED """THE ROBOT""" - this IS JUST WHAT you are talking ABOUT

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: William Renquist Date: Aug 9, 2005 11:35am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

You have no answers? having answers is not a bad thing. will you question things for the rest of your life? surely one day you will have one or two answers. I'll pray for you that you will have some answers - god bless

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Jing Tong Date: Aug 9, 2005 6:01pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

I prefer answers to questions...when I ask my girlfriend to make love or to KISS ME, I do not want her to question me...but to answer YES...or "SOON" - - should we simply keep asking "WHEN WILL THERE BE PEACE"?? forever - certainly we all want the answer to be "YES, PEACE IS HERE NOW"

ONLY DICTATORS WANT THE POPULACE TO KEEP ASKING "WHEN" - but it is one's right to keep asking, if that's what makes the person happy. I LIKE ANSWERS...MUSIC IS AN ANSWER
and so is LOVE and BEAUTY...all answers.

ONLY a strange person would keep asking, when the answers are ALL AROUND - - sorry if I am off-topic...thank U

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffChenard Walcker Date: Aug 9, 2005 3:18pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

No, William, i'm not like that. I'm an asker. I ask. There is a beautiful saying by Heidegger, it's probably wrong but it's wonderful, he said why science boring, because it only gives answers. That's a wonderfull saying. It is unfair saying but it's worth thinking about. Answers are not the interesting thing, the questions are.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Jing Tong Date: Aug 9, 2005 5:54pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

Who is Heidegger? Does she have a Net Label?

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Jing Tong Date: Aug 9, 2005 5:56pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

Heidegger is the shoe designer, yes?

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffChenard Walcker Date: Aug 9, 2005 6:00pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

Hum. Martin Heidegger. Check on Google.

my netlabel : freesamplezone.org

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Mister Lister 405 Date: Aug 10, 2005 6:09am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

Heidegger is a German philosopher, funny guy!

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: RonPrice Date: Jan 22, 2007 3:39am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

I am responding to your quotation from Heidegger. Heidegger says many things. I find alot of his writings complex, but here is a piece I summarized in a prose-poem.
_______________________
A SWEET PERFUME

This is a poetry which memorializes a particular religious tradition as well as my society and my life. It is a poetry which grows out of the events of these three categories of my experience. I like to think that this poetry reaches into the truth of this experience and responds to the appeal of its presence in my memory and imagination. I know from more than twenty-five years of writing this prose-poetry that it holds itself open to the very stuff of my living, the dwelling of my inner and outer self and the happenings of my religion and society. I have come to see my prose and poetry as equally poetic; indeed, in some ways they are interchangeable. I like to think, too, that there is in my writing a purity, a thickness and a solidity that is itself a human activity like singing, thinking, cooking or reading among so many other forms of doing. My writing, my poetry, is an expression of my own way of living, my modus operandi, modus vivendi, my style and content of thinking, how things occur to me, how I see things happen, how they move and have their being, their presentness, their being and existing. -Ron Price with thanks to Martin Heidegger, "Introduction," Poetry, Language, Thought, Harper and Rowe, NY, 1971, pp. ix-xxii.

When these ideas became accessible
in the introduction to that small book,
I was on my way to South Australia
with the commemoration of the 50th
anniversary of His passing, the inception
of the Formative Age of a new Dispensation
and the birth of an Administrative Order--all
on the horizon. There was a sweet perfume
of victory in the air back then and we tasted
it again in that dry dog-biscuit of a town in
the malee of South Australia. A new horizon,
bright with intimations of thrilling developments,
charged with meaning, half-sensed, half-seen
through my young eyes, laying bare special
challenges as I tried to seize opportunities
unique in human history to radiate a message
to the many seekers among my contemporaries.1

1 "Letter to Baha'i Youth in Every Land," The Universal House of Justice, 10 June 1966.

Ron Price
22 January 2007

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: RonPrice Date: Aug 26, 2007 9:28am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: More on Heidegger

Martin Heidegger's concept of dasein is also useful in an attempt to understand autobiography. Heidegger said there were three modes of possible existence: factuality, existentiality and fallenness. We all live and take part in mode one and understand that mode to varying extents. People who find a sense of purpose in life, find authenticity and are therefore successful in their drive toward existentiality. Those who do not find their purpose, these are the fallen, or so he calls them. They never understand why they are here or they make up their own framework of understanding completely, or so it would seem, divorced from any traditional religious system of meaning. Often, too, some in this category do not seem to care about ultimate questions. They learn to live with an ultimately existential meaninglessness. The world, for them, is essentially incomprehensible and indifferent, although they often take pleasure and meaning in the day to day, the physical realities of life itself.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: RonPrice1 Date: Aug 25, 2009 3:55am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: More on Heidegger

It has been more than two years since this first post here. Since there have been no responses I will add another prose- poem in which the philosopher Martin Heidegger plays a role.-Ron Price, Australia
-----------------------------
Martin Heidegger(1889-1976), in a book published in English at the very start of my pioneering-travelling journey in 1962(1927 in German), Being and Time, said we have two possibilities as we go through our lives. We can be the author of our own story or we can traverse life according to a script composed by others. I like to think we can do both.
---------------
A knowledge of Heidegger′s Sein und Zeit(1927/1962) is essential for anyone who wishes to understand a great deal of recent continental work in theology as well as philosophy. Yet until this translation first appeared in 1962, when I was working on my grade 13 in Ontario with my intellectual nose to the proverbial grindstone, this fundamental work of one of the most influential European thinkers of the century remained inaccessible to English readers. In fact the difficulty of Heidegger′s thought was considered to be almost insuperable in the medium of a foreign language, especially English.

This most influential of European thinkers of the century is still inaccessible to English readers because (a) most readers don't like reading philosophy especially a book of more than 500 pages and (b) those who do read philosophy are now faced with so many books to read they would drown if they tried to even cover the field.-Ron Price, Australia

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: RonPrice1 Date: Aug 25, 2009 4:07am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: More on Heidegger

WHIMSICALITY AND SELF-INDULGENCE

In an essay on the great Russian writer Alexander Pushkin, John Bayley quotes literary critic Edmund Wilson to make the point that “Flaubert, Joyce and Virginia Woolf were in a sense poets who wrote in prose because….prose seemed to offer the freedom and authority”1 for the writing they were attempting. This idea struck me as significant for the writing I do because I often feel I am a poet who writes in prose. There is certainly a kinship between my prose and my poetry for many reasons one of which is expressed by John Crowe Ransom: “There is no principle of rightness in poetry;….there is only ponderous whimsicality, labour of wit and a certain obscure self-indulgence.”2 -Ron Price with thanks to 1John Bayley, Pushkin: A Comparative Commentary, Cambridge UP, 1971, p.236; and 2 J.C. Ransom in Author Unknown.

I seem to learn of my profoundest
yearnings though an awareness
of other selves and their yearnings.
Whatever is within me it is so often
found in the shame, the splendour,
the ideas and wisdom of others.1

Making present the possibilities
of the past, actualizing historical
possibility, this is live tradition2
and I am helped in this effort by
the ponderous whimsicality
and the self-indulgence of poetry.

1 Harold Bloom, The Anxiety of Influence, pp.25-6.
2 Martin Heidegger in Destructive Poetics: Heidegger and Modern American Poetry, Paul Bovem, Columbia UP, NY, 1980, p.90.

Ron Price
August 30th 2005



Attachment: WHIMSICALITY_AND_SELF.doc
Attachment: OUR_DWELLING.rtf

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Marcella Q Date: Aug 9, 2005 8:36pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

This is an odd comment, because no one is talking about science here in this thread. It's a music thread. And what does a comment by an old (and dead) philosopher have to do with music on Archive.Org? I hope people don't start quoting Einstein and Hegel or Krishnamurti, instead of talking about their own ideas concerning music.

On another topic:

It seems that most music in the Net Label section is produced by men. Some friends and I are starting an all-woman Net Label soon. Leave it to the men to start something and leave us women out! / / PEACE - Marcella

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: netwavesx Date: Jan 22, 2007 4:50am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

"... Some friends and I are starting an all-woman Net Label soon. ..."

Hi Marcella,
can you leave a message when it's so far?: Netwaves wants to do a special about women & netlabels.

You can contact me by replying to this mail, or use the contact form on netlabelism.net.

Thanks!

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: William Renquist Date: Aug 9, 2005 11:32am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant Picture Studio defends netlabels

it sounds like you backed down and wimped out....who's Mike Tyson?

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Bowser_256 Date: Jul 21, 2005 4:07am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant Picture Studio defends netlabels

the page is gone, what happened? this was getting interesting

: (

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: DJ Cleavon Little Date: Aug 7, 2005 11:57am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant Picture Studio defends netlabels

where is the Kurt Benbenek statement about Net Labels?

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Jing Tong Date: Aug 9, 2005 5:59pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant Picture Studio defends netlabels

I'm also looking for Benbenek's statements...I believe they have been removed

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Jing Tong Date: Aug 9, 2005 6:17pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant Picture Studio defends netlabels

I think it's gone forever. hopefully someone made a copy somewhere.

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Mister Lister 405 Date: Aug 10, 2005 6:08am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant Picture Studio defends netlabels

I have a copy of Benbenek's manifesto RE: Net Labels - - where shall I send it?

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffChenard Walcker Date: Aug 10, 2005 9:13am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant Picture Studio defends netlabels

i've deleted the page and all links to the guy (Kurt Benbenek) because he asked me to.

This post was modified by Chenard Walcker on 2005-08-10 16:13:32

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: DJ Cleavon Little Date: Aug 7, 2005 11:54am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant Picture Studio defends netlabels

Yes, this is true - but how do you know that the Kurt Benbenek is a fascist?? Has he ever had you over to eat or talk in person? How two-faced, truly. It would be as if I called you a Scientologist without ever knowing if you were one - yes? DJ Cleavon - long live Net Label music, and no more with the Sony and Warner Bros expensive releases!

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Little Tony Tottle Date: Aug 8, 2005 2:16pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant Picture Studio defends netlabels

Why did you delete his posts? This would have been marvelous to see. Benbenek is a whiskered cow...mustn't let the barrage of his insensitivity pull you down into the poetic wreckage...yes?

It's mid-August...let's simply celebrate the fact that we are alive and can listen to all this similar Net Label music. Yes?

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Jing Tong Date: Aug 9, 2005 5:58pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant Picture Studio defends netlabels

My speakers are big, so thank you for designing sound for them

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Jing Tong Date: Aug 9, 2005 6:05pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant Picture Studio defends netlabels

i am sure he took of Benbenek and his post, this is what it seems to be (???) - i would have loved to see his opinions about music - i am in Finland

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Jing Tong Date: Aug 9, 2005 5:57pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

where is this post. My friends at MySpace told me about it

Reply to this post
Reply [edit]

Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Aug 11, 2005 12:07am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Houseplant defends netlabels

Ref: http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=41043
In the above thread, please read the following usernames as likely to be from a single individual:
mellow dude 1975, DJ Cleavon Little, Little Tony Tottle, Jing Tong, Mister Lister 405, William Renquist, Marcella Q
No further replies to this individual should be necessary here. Thanks! A moderator